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Chuck - Thu 09 Mar 2017 19:07:03 #0

Plain ole Bill

PLAIN OLE BILL---Meant to say hello.

BRIAN---- ALRO Steel suppliers would be good for fifty lbs. carbon not sure about 15N20. Quarter inch is the thinnest they will have in tool steel. ---Greg Clampton out of Tulsa is a damn good salesperson.

God bless All

Joe Rollings - Fri 10 Mar 2017 22:33:55 #0

unknown age.....Chuck

Seems that there is a felow in French Tract who married my oldest daughter and used to raise a lot of turkeys on his place there who can't quite nail down his age.

Doc got tired of taking chickens and turkeys for payment and refused to fill out the birth certificate when he was hatched.

He seems just as well off without knowing, though....Joe

brucegodlesky - Sun 12 Mar 2017 12:19:51 #0


Sandpile, I've seen the setup at Queen Cutlery that does the shield cutouts. Pretty neat deal there. They have all sorts of shield/emblem patterns. I bet I could figger out a cutting tool for my machine to do the same.

Joe Rollings - Wed 15 Mar 2017 10:30:53 #0

Pantograph patterns

You can make good ones by cutting them out with a jeweler's saw, then a bit of filing for precision.....Joe

bruce godlesky - Wed 15 Mar 2017 11:09:21 #0

good idea Joe! Thanks.
For all those folks snowed in.... it won't last for long:-)
I've never had this much snow in my 3 sided forge shop. Kinda looks lioke someone broke open a coupla down pillows and turnt the fan on hehehe

Buck Brown - Fri 17 Mar 2017 10:12:58 #0

Happy St. Patrick's Day to all!

Joe Rollings - Fri 17 Mar 2017 12:19:45 #0

Happy st. pat's day!

I don't own any green clothes, so every year I stop brushing my teeth on March 5th, and by the 17th, THEY are green...... :) ....Joe

Chuck - Sat 18 Mar 2017 21:44:11 #0

Belated best wishes to the Irish and the not so ir

I was going to say something several days ago. It seems that I am getting forgetful.
I hope everyone had a good week-end, stayed safe and sober if driving.

I have written two posts and deleted them.
God Bless Everyone

bruce godlesky - Thu 23 Mar 2017 06:48:30 #0


Finally back in the shop today after a coupla months off.
Welded up a billet from wrought, 15n20, 1080+ and 1095 for a customer. he wanted a pattern welded billet with part of the home farm in it . So I took a coupler off a gas well /sucker rod and worked it down. It wa svery high grade wrought. Should make for a nice pattern.
Felt good to feel the thump thump thump of the Fairbanks!!!

Buck Brown - Thu 23 Mar 2017 11:10:03 #0


Bruce....glad to hear you're back at it! I need to do the same. Haven't had a fire in the forge for some time now.

I'm wanting to make some small tools for the wood lathe. I have a bunch of garage door springs and thought they would work fine. The problem I have is I don't have a clue as to what the steel is and so until I find out I don't know how to heat treat it. Anybody know what the steel is or how to heat treat it?

bruce godlesky - Thu 23 Mar 2017 11:53:17 #0

Buck, most coil springs are either 5160 or one of the 10xx series. That small of profile (garage door spring) you can get by with taking them to non-magnetic, count to 10 then oil quench.
You could flatten a coupla pieces and take to several different temps , quench then brea to see how fine the grain is.

Buck Brown - Fri 24 Mar 2017 10:01:14 #0

Thanks Bruce! That's what I'll do. Then I'll know what is best for each application.

John Odom - Fri 24 Mar 2017 21:50:15 #0

A good day.

I got up at 7 and fiddled around the house a while and finally headed to town about 9:30.
While I was in town I stopped by a refractory contractor to learn about some of the newer products. I have been thinking about making a different propane forge because the cylindrical one I have is very limited and can effectively only handle linear forgings.
I showed the gentleman pictures of the bed and some other projects and explained that I was thinking about a differently shaped forge. He said, instead of talking about lets go out and look at some products. After discussing the merits and available sizes of each, I thanked him and said I would need prices on certain ones. He replied "You are eligible for the nice guy discount." and told the warehouse man "Open the big door and load his truck when he gets it in here." I was GIVEN a pickup load of 3000 degree and 2800 degree insulating panels and bricks both hard and soft. Plus mortar and coating in 3 gallon buckets.
I did not ask for a gift. I believe in miracles. I have enough refractory to build a new forge and to repair the one at The Southern Adventist University blacksmith club's shop.
If you read my personal post yesterday you know that My shop is packed and I have no room to store anything. I backed my truck up to the shop door and discovered 2 lower bays on my supplies shelving, each with only empty boxes! Each bay was 2' X 4'. I got all the refractory except the mortar buckets in those and stacked those buckets in a corner.
Now I have to design the forge! I want one that can be open on 3 sides. I have enough refractory to build a forge much larger than I can afford to heat so I need to carefully think out the design,
Then I went to BK on Amnicola for lunch and on to TVRM and the forge. They Were pressure washing 630 and doing brake inspections on passenger coaches.
At the forge I used the Clay Spencer tire hammer on on a piece of 1 1/4" round stainless steel bar. It did quickly what would have required days for me to do by hand.
Then I came home and rested until supper. We had the fake chicken soup. The manufacturer of the fake chicken was bought out and the formula changed. The old formulation tasted better.
After a short rest I went to the Southern Smiths meeting at SAU. We planned the repair of their forges. If we had had to buy the refractory for that it would have costs hundreds for that alone! The young fellows also did a piece of heavy forging for me. They can swing a sledge with much more authority than I. This particularly is not really power hammer friendly. I will finish the piece at the Choo Choo Forge power hammer.
The work clothes are in the washer, and as soon as I finish this I will get in the shower.
I am dead tired and bed will feel SO good!
This was a VERY good day!

Joe Rollings - Sat 25 Mar 2017 22:19:00 #0

congratulation, John

I, too believe in miracles, but always chuckle when one comes along. You see a miracle when somebody gives you a load of material, whereas somebody else would be fretting about who stole all of the stuff that was formerly in those now-empty boxes that were on the shelf.

In spite of the miracles that surround us, there is always an escape route for those who choose not to believe in them....Joe

John Odom - Wed 29 Mar 2017 17:21:15 #0


Some choose not to believe.

Darrell - Wed 29 Mar 2017 23:05:33 #0


I believe in them. I see them happening almost every day. For one thing I'm still alive.

Alex Ivey - Fri 31 Mar 2017 14:50:27 #0

NMABA meeting

NMABA meeting tomorrow. Location is on the website, can be accessed from the ABANA affiliates list. Blacksmiths on this forum invited if you happan to be passing through the Albuquerque area. I posted a photo of my iron in the hat item. John congratulation on your pick with the refractory contractor. LXIV,

Alex Ivey - Sun 02 Apr 2017 00:34:54 #0

Chapter Meeting

Very good NMABA meeting today, 2 excellent demonstraters, cold and rain much of the day but didn't dampen our spirit. Did have a couple of guys show that I think that may have seen my invite post but did not confirm since they had left before I was informed of their presence. If you attendence resulted from seeing my post please kick a post back at me and let me know. I was pleased at the interest shown in my the INTH contribution. Hope the weather front that passed through here today is easy on you guys further east. LXIV,

Jim Keith - Sun 02 Apr 2017 10:36:44 #0


Great to hear that what was SWABA has been resurrected. I've not been able to connect with any of the old group.
In our parallel universe over here on the East side we too attended an excellent demonstration over in Amarillo, TX. The two great demonstrators provided an excellent couple of days of refuge from the weather.
If any of the NMABA or others are so inclined we are having an exciting demo/competition of blacksmithing involving as many aspects of the art that we can get represented here. It's all free to watch and everyone is welcome.
Not sure if plugs for events are welcome on this forum but if you have any interest in attending, let me know and we'll figure out away to get you the onfo. Thanks,
Jim Keith
Rawhide Days, Blacksmith chairman

Chuck - Sun 02 Apr 2017 14:46:16 #0


The demos for the hammer-in at Welldshod, in Amarillo, Tx was a great gathering. Tom Willoughby of IND. Roy Bloom of WI. put on good demos. Jim Poor from Midland, TX. was called up from the audience to make a nice hoof knife from a spike.
Lots of interest in the artistic blacksmith. Different tools and how to make, use them was demonstrated.
'Tucumcari Rawhide Days' has a nice brochure made up. Maybe it could be posted on here.

Darrell - Sun 02 Apr 2017 16:43:14 #0


Anything blacksmith is always welcome on this site.

Alex Ivey - Sun 02 Apr 2017 20:33:00 #0

Rawhide Day's

Jim Keith, I would be interested in attending if it fits in my schedule and I'm sure other NMABA members might as well. If you can get me the information I can have it posted on the NMABA website if it's ok. Would be great to see you again since I believe I saw you last at an earlier ABANA conf., Lacross or maybe Kentucky??. Might also get to meet chuck in person. Thanks. LXIV,

Jim Keith - Sun 02 Apr 2017 21:28:49 #0

Blacksmith Demo/contest

Just now posted a photo of a forging from last year (sorry about the orientation) with a link to the event page. Hope you can make it Alex, if you can get it on the NMABA site that would be great!

Darrell - Mon 03 Apr 2017 14:03:37 #0

Broken link

The link is broken, at least it doesn't work here.

Jim Keith - Mon 03 Apr 2017 14:22:52 #0

Broken link

it worked by copy and paste just now. Will try to get a better link after I get through scratching my head. Thanks!

Darrell - Tue 04 Apr 2017 00:00:57 #0

Broken link

Jim, maybe its becauase I'm in Hawaii. All I get is Hawaiian events.

Jim Keith - Tue 04 Apr 2017 00:21:55 #0

Broken link

I'd like to be in Hawaii!

This site won't give as much info but it should work.

Alex Ivey - Tue 04 Apr 2017 00:25:36 #0

Jim Keith

I did a search for Tucumcari Rawhide Days and found the info. I'll get it to our web tender and have the link with a brief on what's happening with the smithing events posted on the site. LXIV,

Jim Keith - Tue 04 Apr 2017 09:45:45 #0

Rawhide days most versatile blacksmith

I know that a lot of you certainly would qualify for that title, but if you don't compete, then come watch some very good smiths doing their best work as they pursue that quest. No charge to watch and there will be lot of other activities for you and the family to see.
Thanks Alex for posting on the NMABA site!

bruce godlesky - Tue 11 Apr 2017 10:17:03 #0


whats everyones preference for hammer and press dies? S7, 4140, H13, mild steel.........
I'm tearin' up the H13 flat dies on my 24 ton press.

plain ol Bill - Tue 11 Apr 2017 18:41:52 #0


Bruce my press had a six inch cylinder on it and I just used A36 for all my dies. Never had a problem really. Did have to re-make my flat dies after 3-4 years of Damascus work.

bruce godlesky - Wed 12 Apr 2017 07:52:55 #0


Bill, I'm rounding off the edges. When I built these , I didn't heat treat them.
Thought I might surface grind 'em then do a quick HT and see how it turns out.Any idea what Kayne uses for his tooling? I took a set of bottom fullers, cut off the stakes and welded them to plates . Quick and dirty cable welding :-)

plain ol Bill - Thu 13 Apr 2017 17:49:53 #0


Bruce my flat dies were made of 3x6x1 A36 flat bar. I rounded off all edges so they did not print on a billet. My normal billet was 31 pcs of 1/8 x 1 x 6 tack welded together. First weld was using the long length of the dies to weld and then from the side to draw.

Darrell - Sun 16 Apr 2017 13:17:30 #0

Happy Easter

Have a blessed day and a blessed year.

Chuck - Sun 16 Apr 2017 15:22:09 #0


Everyone have a beautiful, peaceful Easter.
God bless All

Chuck - Wed 19 Apr 2017 22:52:43 #0


Everybody survive the Easter week-end?
Sure quiet around here.
Where is THOMAS POWER these days?
JOHN LARSON still kicking--making hammers?
JOE you been getting the rain down there?

Darrell - Thu 20 Apr 2017 00:54:34 #0


John Larson is on FaceBook quite a bit but I don't think he is making hammers
anymore. He seems to be into cars now.

I am slowly gathering parts to build a knife grinder. A 2x72. I sure miss my milling machine
but there is almost no chance of getting one here on the Big Island of Hawaii. Shipping is way to expensive.

bruce godlesky - Thu 20 Apr 2017 06:44:52 #0

Easter survival

(BOG) Always an enjoyable day!
Eat too much Ham, pickled beets and eggs , mac salad w/ramps.
One day I try to stay outta the shop.

What parts are you needing Darrell??

Darrell - Thu 20 Apr 2017 13:25:23 #0


The last of the parts for the knife grinder just came. Now all I have to do is
spend some time in the shop putting it together. Still running a little slow.

Chuck - Thu 20 Apr 2017 22:03:09 #0

Knife -grinding

I have been loafing along making shorter bladed knives.
I now am going to make a few cutting edge 9" to 12" blades. Going to have to rig up the platen on the Bader.
My Bader seems a little weak hearted---never have figured which way it is wired. I bought it second hand fifteen years ago.
I have a nine inch flat disc grinder, a 2X72" belt grinder with an eight" wheel.
The Bader has been loafing all this time.

Watching the "Swamp People" on the History channel.

Darrel, I hope you are feeling some better everyday.
God bless

Loren T - Fri 21 Apr 2017 06:51:43 #0


20 some years ago I picked up a job needing around 350 pickets with a special twist. I priced them out from Indital and they were $7-$8 each. Making my own twister seemed prudent. I had made one a couple times previously, and now had a gear reduction box 80 or 90 to 1. I bought a brand new 1 hp Leeson motor and rigged it up. Not enough power to twist. So...I added a jack shaft to further gear it down. No Luck! FINALLY...I checked the wiring. It was wired for 220 and I was running it on 110. A simple wire swap and I could put 9 turns in a foot before it sheared off. Live and Learn!

John Odom - Fri 21 Apr 2017 14:22:04 #0

John Larson Iron Kiss

John has closed down Iron kiss and sold his machinery. He said he wanted to close out while ha could still do things he has always wanted to. He says he was making money with Iron Kiss and had a big backlog of people who wanted to order. He IS on Facebook.

Chuck - Fri 21 Apr 2017 15:29:34 #0


LOREN T--I think that might be the problem on mine. I have a Grandson that can --NOW-- check this out. I will se when he will do that.
Beautiful day here today. Had abut .30 of rain and Pea size hail. Breeze, with 51 temp.
Planted another Blackberry---Will plant a 'Blue Berry' if it looks like it won't frost.
Life is great.

Joe Rollings - Sat 22 Apr 2017 11:30:47 #0

Up and around again

Been kind of getting my butt kicked for a few months, healthwise, but slowly working out of it. Back troubles, ear troubles, heart rythm problems, wrong med problems causing psoriasis flare, but either I'm getting better or learning to live with it or a combination.

I'm also setting up a new belt grinder. Considering an old 1HP motor for it, but don't know if that is enough spunk for a 2X72.

I also had a motor that was wired for 220 and running on 110 for a while, but I lucked out when the wires inside the box broke and I got tipped off when I went in to repair them.

Chuck, you have mentioned that disc grinder before. Are you using it to flat=grind blades? Are you using the glue-on discs or the loose ones? I have about everything I need to build one of those, too, while I am building, and the other machine I'm pretty intent on building is a pheumatic sander for knife handles. Nothing on this earth will finish a handle quicker or better than that small diameter pheumatic head mounted on a couple of pillow blocks.

I had all of this stuff until I sold out a couple of years ago, but got involved in other stuff and didn't get it replaced.

Yep, we got a fair amount of rain and the wild poppies are all over the place again. Still too cold at night for them to REALLY taker over like they do sometimes, but maybe in a few weeks they will.....Joe

Jeff Reinhardt - Sat 22 Apr 2017 12:45:20 #0

disc sanders

I have a pair of 12" disc sanders and nothing deburrs, profiles or provides as much abrasive power the dollar as a 12" disc. Mine are pressure sensitive adhesive. I have 2 so I can set up with more than one grit and will soon add a third I think. I currently run a 36 grit zirconium oxide and a 120 grit aluminum oxide. I will add the third and probably use it with a 60 grit zirconium oxide. I go for the Y weight backed discs on the bigger grits they hold up better and are water proof.

Joe Rollings - Sat 22 Apr 2017 22:20:45 #0

Very cool, thanks

and how fast do you run them, at what HP?....again, thanks.....Joe

Jeff Reinhardt - Sun 23 Apr 2017 07:28:02 #0

disc sanders

Joe both or my disc sanders are factory made and both run 3450 rpm. One is a Harbor fright and claims 3/4 Hp. the other is a many years old AMD and also claims 3/4Hp. The HF is running the 36 grit, and I have been hogging profiles and so forth on it for maybe 5 years. The bearings are starting to make a little more noise then when new but runs smooth. The AMD is still smooth and runs great. I have maybe 20 years on that one.
I would go to a 1 hp minimum if building at home and would only consider a TEFC type motor.

The zirconium Oxide abrasives are for hogging as you make new sharp edges when hogging in this grit and they load up is not aggressively hogged.

Bert - Sun 23 Apr 2017 12:02:38 #0

Back to Hammer Die Questions

Anybody ever use RR track for them? Is it worth trying or is it a dumb question?


plain ol Bill - Mon 24 Apr 2017 00:52:06 #0

rr track

Bert on the first hammer I made I used main line track for the dies and they were my favorite set. Cut them off right under the rail and welded to flat bar to bolt down. Nice crown so you could draw well and flatten well using short bites.

Chuck - Mon 24 Apr 2017 01:44:53 #0


JOE I use a nine inch disc.
I buy the sheets on the internet but prefer to buy from 'TRUE GRIT' in Calif. good people. Primary flat grind grit is 40. I go up in grit as the blade comes around. I finish grind at 800 to 1,200 with a light buff. Lots of work most folks won't do.
I use a 0ne HP reversing motor on the disc----It came out of an evaporative air conditioner 1,170 RPM?. It will grind to beat hell. I use a spray on adhesive when it is needed---heat gun to get the disc to peel off.
Like JEFF--I think I would either get a 2 horse or gear the fast motor down for more power for 2X72 belt grinder. 3,300 direct drive is fast for a belt.

I hollow grind against an eight inch wheel on a 2X72---freehand with a notched stick to hold the blade steady against the wheel--same stick on the flat grind on the disc--
Primary handle work on the disc and finish handle work on a slack belt 2X72 in a 320 grit.
Good night
God Bless

Bert - Mon 24 Apr 2017 10:35:15 #0


Bill. I was figuring to have to cut the track off and weld, track is nearly 8" tall... The Tillamook Line is replacing a crossing near my house and with the help of the crew, a couple short pieces found their way into my truck while I was waiting on the flag people to cross.. Figured it had to be hard enough to use for something...


Chuck - Mon 24 Apr 2017 15:02:48 #0


BERT--Railroad iron top and bottom on my home made power hammer.
Been working good for a lot of years.
There is a nice spot that has gradually smoothed down. The rest of it still draws pretty good.

Joe Rollings - Mon 24 Apr 2017 22:34:06 #0

An answer and a question

Of course, nobody asked a question that matched the answer I have except me, but somebody else might need it some time so I'll rattle it off.

Blew a capacitor on one of the motors I'm going to be using on the grinders, and couldn't find any numbers on it, so went looking for a formula to calculate the UF for the capacitor.

Learned that the formula is 2650 times the full load amps of the motor, divided by the line voltage. Need to order one with at least 1 1/2 times the voltage it will be running off of.

Thus, my 12 amp 120 volt motor needed a 265 UF capacitor, aproximately. I found one that was rated for 250 volts, and it worked like a house afire.

As to the question, for those who use disc grinders, do you find yourselves facing the face of the disc when you are grinding or the edge? Ot both?

If it is the edge, because I intend to make my own steel discs, I can make two, one facing the left, the other facing the right, and do both sides of a knife with the disc turning the correct way. If it is the face, I will need to be aqble to reverse the disc and work from the front.....Thanks in advance.....Joe

Chuck - Tue 25 Apr 2017 13:18:06 #0

reversing mtr.

JOE-- I did not elaborate well enough on the reversing motor.
I put a switch on the 1 HP air conditioner. I used six little jumping cables inside my box but you can buy a switch.
I stand square up in front of the disc, goggles, mask, and should use earmuffs.
I do what D'Holder calls a belly grind.
I pull my arms back against my belly --therefore steadying my hands.
I grind looking down at the edge and the sparks are hitting the floor, reverse the mtr, flip your blade, change hands and the sparks are still mostly hitting the floor.
I mark the blades with a sharpened end of a file. I scratch one line, then flip the blade scratch the second line trying to keep a dime or 3/332" space between the two lines.
After heat treating I will grind flat all the way to the edge(leather working knife) or sharpen with a long 15 degree edge.
The belly grind is important--keeps the hands steady enough to grind to your lines fore and aft at the same time.
All my grinding is free hand, so, I just pull out on the tail to cause the grind to curve up to the point.
Anything I leave out, holler.

Joe Rollings - Wed 26 Apr 2017 11:23:01 #0

Thanks much, Chuck....Joe

bruce godlesky - Wed 26 Apr 2017 16:43:03 #0

belly grind= organic tool rest I've heard it called (BOG)
Same as I do it but with rigid wrists a some body movement .

Chuck - Wed 26 Apr 2017 22:03:39 #0

Belly Grind

Belly Grind--Body movement is probably why most knifemakers like 'Swing', "Blues' music.
I screwed up today. First time since the fifties.
I did not drill my holes before blade quenching O1(Did not quench the full tang).
Was thinking about a Grandson and his problems. I flat did not think about the handle part hardening. Cold barn I guess. I damn sure knew to drill all the holes.
Tough grind-----Will hot punch or something. Grin

bruce godlesky - Thu 27 Apr 2017 17:38:35 #0

break down and buy a carbide bit Chuck!
I did the same thing a coupla weeks ago. After a lot of cussin' and such I remembered I had a bit here..... Sometimes I even reheat treat justy to avoid more cussin.

Chuck - Thu 27 Apr 2017 20:32:42 #0

O1 steel

BRUCE- I done clamped(Wired) the two blades between two drops of 5160 spring steel. I have a spike can full of ashes. They should be ready by mid-morning.
I tried two different 'Cobalt' bits. They would just barely spin a dot on the full tang handles.
I checked the edge after two, one hour, 300 degree draws. New file edge just skidded. May be too hard to sharpen. Might have to draw it a little hotter.
If the anneal don't work. I will do it again. I might have got the tails to hot while tapering the tangs.
The design of the blade is new to me. A 5/32 steel hollow ground, narrow waist(roche) a skinning belly, a deep sway back, with a Kephart type point in the center of the blade-- Hard to grind by hand(for me).
Cold fronts marching through here like goose stepping Korean soldiers. Two in the last three days with another coming tonight. Gonna freeze(twenties) Saturday morning.
We gambled, setting out good tomato plants. Okra is up. We can cover most of the maters and a few of the okra. Peppers are going to be on their own. Grin.
God bless

Joe Rollings - Sat 29 Apr 2017 14:37:08 #0

Belt sander finished, on to the discs

I made a little bitty bandsaw a few years ago after I sold out the business because I needed one ofr cutting out knife scales and I had a whole bunch of 1/8" wide blades on hand. Later I bought an antique table top 14" bandsaw for that, and just finished converting the one I made into my new 2x72 belt grinder. Tracks perfectly and runs like a charm.

Now, I am onto the disc grinders. They are not too expensive from HF, but I'd rather build them since I can make several heads to switch around and save abrasive paper as needed. I have a stack of good old thick saw blades that I can plasma-cut the teeth off of and grind them round and slick on the rims. Just need to figure out how to attach them to the hubs without welding them and putting a wobble in the steel disc. I guess I COULD turn the hubs out of maybe two inch round stock, bore and ream the holes, then screw the blades to them with flat-head screws.

Should be able to buy those sanding heads that key to a shaft somewhere, but I can't seem to come up with the right name for google to find them. If it popps into anybody's head, I'd like to know about it. I DID find some of them but they were around $100 each, which does not strike me as reasonable when I can make them for just the time invested on the lathe....Joe

bruce godlesky - Sun 30 Apr 2017 06:24:56 #0

Most of the anneals I do are left in the gasser til cool. Really stubborn blades get the digital oven treatment. For the most part, seveal heat cycles then left overnight in the gasser usually do the trick.

Darrell - Sun 30 Apr 2017 15:56:49 #0

Belt Grinder

Well I have built my belt grinder twice now. The first time i followed a set of plans from the net(
The way it turned out it would have needed a 2x96" belt. I ended up cutting it all apart.
I cut the 2x13" tube down to 2x9" for the horizontal pieces and 2x11" for the vertical piece.
I re-positioned the tracking wheel on the vertical 1.5x17" piece and cut the 1.5x15" pieces down to 1.5x12".
Now the 2x72" belt fits good. I put up a photo. now all I have to do is make a platen and a table and it is done.

Chuck - Mon 01 May 2017 17:07:15 #0

Belt grinder & anneal

DARRELL---Glad to see the grinder is nearing useful stage. I am going to get some Pyro Glass for the front of my platen. It will not burn up like plastic, wood or leather.
I did get my O1 annealed. Have the holes drilled the blade straightened from squeezing between two curved springs. grin.
We will now see if they will harden as good as the first quench. O1 is pretty forgiving---Good thing it is.

'Forged In Fire' tomorrow night. Ray Kirk will be on.
God Bless

Darrell - Tue 02 May 2017 01:27:23 #0

Belt Grinder

I had a Grizzly belt grinder at one time and it just had iron for the platen and that seemed to work fine.
I picked up a couple of drops today that should finish off my new grinder.
I have a 2 horsepower 3 phase motor on it with a 220 volt VFD driving it.

bruce godlesky - Tue 02 May 2017 08:42:14 #0

Darrell's grinder...... VaROOM!! That thing otta really crank!!
RWWilson runs 154" belts on his grinders, or somewhere thereabouts. I get my platens grooved no matter wehat the mnaterial is :-) Too much heat I reckon. I still have the 1st glass one I bought from Steve Pryor. It's pretty rough but still useable. When the steel ones get ugly I just run a few passes on the surface grinder.
Always good to see folksd nya know on the TV!! And Ray is a great guy!!

Darrell - Thu 04 May 2017 00:04:22 #0

Belt Grinder

The 36 grit belts are here.

Joe Rollings - Thu 04 May 2017 16:10:45 #0

sander backing plates

Anybody else building disc sanders, the 9" plate from grizzly sells for about $35 and is cast iron. part # P1014021.

Do not have them in my hot little hands yet, so there could be complications, but will report back when they come in.

Had started to turn the hubs on the metal lathe, but time just has to be worth something.....Joe

Chuck - Thu 04 May 2017 23:39:36 #0


JOE --If they have a con-vex disc that will run smooth. I can put a thin neophrem disc on it then grind blades longer 4.5 inches.
he reason for the neophrem(sp) is to stop the chatter, rattling noise. Aluminum is bad enough, cast might be worse. BUT if it runs smooth and comes flat and convex. I am sure enough interested. That is a hundred cheaper. Good find, especially if it is balanced.
Some of the makers are starting to use some huge wheels 10, 14, 18, now someone has a 20 inch. Talk about throwing breakers and never quit rolling.

I finished a blade that I had to anneal, polished it out almost ready to put the slabs on. Found a crack right on top in the thickest part of the blade.
New O1 steel, hardened, annealed because I forgot to drill pin holes. A slow heat up to about 1,500 quenched in 135 degrees. Tempered twice at 300 degrees.
A crack, well it will make a nice pattern.

Glass is a lot easier on your belts(heat)---does not throw a grove in your blades as bad as an aged metal backing.
God Bless

Darrell - Fri 05 May 2017 20:05:45 #0

Belt Grinder

The platen and table are in place.The belt grinder is done. Now just waiting for the fine grit belts.

Alex Ivey - Sun 07 May 2017 12:40:44 #0

Rawhide Day's

Attended Tucumcari Rawhide Days yesterday. Jim Keith and his people put on a great event with 6 blacksmith teams demonstrating and competing in 3 categories. Some really nice items were sold at auction later in the day most of which were made during the 2 day event. Mark Milster from Oklahoma had a bed frame done with all traditional joinery that had many hours of work in it, with new mattress, box spring and bedding included that sold for only $1,100. Best bargain of the auction in my opinion. He also had a 2 lb rounding hammer that went for a whopping $525., WOW. Many other nice items too numerous to list. All in all it was a great day, well worth the 200 mile trip. Jim took me and 2 other NMABA members attending on a tour of his shop, that was great, Thank you Jim.

Chuck, Jim said you were there on Friday, sorry I missed you, maybe next we can schedule better. Did get to see Vince Smith who I had met at Chris Thompson's place and at the Lincoln County Cowboy Symposium. He did some good cooking with his chuck wagon crew LXIV,

Chuck - Sun 07 May 2017 15:20:09 #0

Rawhide Days.

ALEX-- Sure sorry we did not match up on our days.
Helen has been having some problems. Today she seems to be a little better. Pain is not quite so much. I was wanting to visit about some of y'alls members.
THOMAS POWER quit here in a huff. Wondered if he is doing alright.
Joe Cordova's health and Jerry Duran?

JOE I had a couple of knives over to Tucumcari that had the handle wood you sent me. They said "The wood is great, what is it"? I would give them a song and dance about the steel, knife design, point out the sheath. They would say "Their nice. What is the beautiful wood"?
Some of the wood out of your board is so nice. It takes some rubbing and finishing but is be worth the effort.
Linseed oil, Beeswax and heat sure makes the "Boggy-Oak" look jump out. Velvet touch/feeling.
Some is plain but the ones with grain are nice.
Got the garden coming a little.

Joe Rollings - Sun 07 May 2017 22:25:18 #0

handle oak

At the time I had that oak, I tried a handle out of it, and it sure was nice, but it burned every time I tried to machine finish it.....needed hand finishing, and at the time I was NOT make hand finished knives so i figure3d it should go to somebody who would do it justice.

It came from the river country in Southern Illinois, given to a friend by a guy who worked in a milling enterprise and cabinet factory. There would not be enough of that burl to make a single piece of furniture, so he set it aside. I had had it for years, was going to get around to making a set of scales and knife for the guy who gave it to me, but I found him dead one afternoon, so it was too dang late for that.

Real glad that you are enjoying it, and it finally is getting used for something worthwhile....Joe

Loren T - Mon 08 May 2017 10:28:18 #0


I have made my share of knives and other stuff with exotic woods. My son worked for a Hardwoods supply company for 14 years, starting out as yard help and ending up as a VP. One of the owners was the buyer and he would get samples all the time of woods you never heard of. He had a cache of them and when he got to know me, he gave them to me. I used them for years and still have a few slabs of black walnut left after 3 moves.

Buck Brown - Mon 08 May 2017 14:31:11 #0

Knife handle slabs.

Chuck...Sure hope Hellen is doing better. My favorite handle wood is Desert Ironwood. It is naturally oily and requires no finish. The more it is used the better it gets.

Jim Keith - Mon 08 May 2017 14:39:55 #0


Alex, it was a great honor to have you and your two partners over here for a day. We appreciate all of your involvement with our little celebration and hope to see you back soon.
Abel Sanchez and his brother did some impressive work along with our other contestants. I could not have more pleased with the turnout and the quality of forgings we had.

Jim Keith - Mon 08 May 2017 14:42:24 #0

Rawhide again

Chuck, glad you made it down along with Freddie and Kevin. Hope they down well with their booths.

Joe Rollings - Tue 09 May 2017 23:00:54 #0


A few things about Ironwood;

It is so heavy it will not float

If you are cutting or sanding it and it starts smoking from dull saw teeth or clogged sandpaper, that will make you awfull sick for a day or two. Sometimes the dust will do that , too.

The best way I ever found to shape it was to keep trying stiffer wire wheels until you find one that will dig right into it and throw coarse dust, then you can shape it without heating it or fulling up the paper. It leaves a lovely finish like rough staghorn, and you can finish THAT with a cotton buff and compound. Looks like you can see into the grain for about 6 inches.

When you use it for pistol grips, etc, you can actually thread it with a tap and tighten the screws REAL tight without stripping them.

The more years you work with it, the sicker it makes you when you snort it.

I'll drive right past a dead ironwood tree nowadays and never look twice. Too many years using it.....Joe

Chuck - Wed 10 May 2017 00:19:09 #0

Rawhide Days and Ironwood.

JIM KEITH We enjoyed it, Thanks for putting it together.

JOE-- I once walked into a pawn shop in Pagosa Springs, CO. I stopped to look at the chunk of wood being use as a fake door stop.
The owner saw me nudge it with my leg, then pick it up. He Said "You have any idee what that chunk of wood is"? I told him it was probably ironwood. He grinned and said "You are the first that knew what it is".
I ended up trading for it. It had two good knots in it and some other grainy places on.
his Grampa had hauled it out of the Sonoran desert in the thirties. It had been cut a long time before that. I still have a few pieces of it.
Balsa, some Bo- Darc, Bocate, Cocabalo would kill me if I ground them with out protection.
The damn stuff builds up on a guy. Or the triggers stay close to the top.
Some Bo Darc is bad shit, some will not bother me.
At this point I just don't grind any Osage Orange except what I have and know it to be alright.
some of this stuff will cut your air off just as quick as Ammonia.
Helen buys masks(good ones) everytime she sees them. I use them now where I did not use to.
Storming. Hope eastern NM does not get hammered.
God bless

Chuck - Wed 10 May 2017 00:39:31 #0

Buck & LorenT.

LOREN T--I love exotic wood if I know what it is and how I am going react to it.
Love good, deep grained wood.
Exhibition(sp) grade Ironwood is beautiful. Some wood is more expensive than the knife it is put on.
BUCK- Thanks. Helen is still kicking, just not as high as she once did. We may have figured out the cause of her severe pain. We think it is Pancreas related.
The doctors are all agreed-It is not her Pancreas.
We will continue to help them fund their kids college funds. Have to do this till they stumble on to the correct diagnosis.
We are almost positive it is her Pancreas
One of our Grand-daughters has --GENECTIC PANCREAITOS. Severe pain and all the symptoms Helen has.
We go again tomorrow for another 'Sonar' test.
God Bless

Loren T - Wed 10 May 2017 11:59:11 #0


Not only does ironwood not float, it does not burn unless you have an abundance of other wood with it in the fire. Also, it will burn out a good chainsaw blade in nothing flat. In the woodworking club in Sun City and in the lapidary club are signs, "No Grinding or Polishing of Ironwood".

Joe Rollings - Thu 11 May 2017 10:47:14 #0

ironwood and O'sage

My friend used to go to where the Seri Indians did their ironwood carvings down in Mexico, and buy the ones tha t got ruined, them slab them up and sell the wood for knife scales.

They rough-carve those with 7 1/4" saw blades on 1/4 horse motors, no guards, hand-holding the wood. There was almost always more fingers missing from the carvers from one trip down there to the next, but they never quit until they didn't have enough left to hold the wood any more.

Chuck, when w lived up north, I used to buy mesquite logs from a guy in Clarendon, Texas, and he threw in some nice Osage Orange from time to time, but it was green and had to be cut up pronto or it would crack. Awful pretty stuff, but I never got the hang of working it.....Joe

Chuck - Thu 11 May 2017 14:40:51 #0

Osage Orange

Osage Orange wood I have and like is from corner posts that were put in the ground in 1880-4. The fence was pulled up and replaced about 1990,
They were in the ground for over a hundred years. Some of them were 8" thick. I sawed some of them up in 18" lengths. Thought how nice the end grains were threw a few aside to wait until it hit me to use it for this or that.
A while later(months)I noticed the ends had started cracking.
The next I opened up that I like I paraphened the ends. There has been a little cracking even with the paraphine(sp). The hundred years was not time to relieve the stress/moisture inside the post.
This Bois Darc is bright orange fresh-sawed or sanded but darkens with exposure.
I used it for hatchet handle, knife slab handles, hidden tang knife handles necklace crosses, mixed the saw dust with epoxy for a nice fine filler line.
It has not bothered me to use it. Some that I have got from other places have really got to me---Bout shut my chest down.
I think I have caused some of(maybe most)this by not protecting myself for too long.----


Joe Rollings - Thu 11 May 2017 22:11:34 #0

We had it in hedge rows in illinois and made a lot of posts from it, too. I tried to hang a gate from one and every time I tried to put wood screws into it I twisted them off. Dosn't like nails too much either.

Dad came along and told me that if I could get it to carry an electrical current, maybe I could weld the hinges on.... :) .....Joe

John Odom - Thu 11 May 2017 22:45:01 #0


I love it! For screws, I drill and tap and use machine screws. It does not seem to grow much around here. I glom on to any I come across.

Joe Rollings - Fri 12 May 2017 10:46:42 #0

guy selling ironwood

Chuck - Fri 12 May 2017 10:51:20 #0

Bo Darc

Bo Darc----is a hard wood--understatement.
It is like Mesquite each time it is cut, the suckers that sprout out of the root mass are HARDER than the ones cut just before them.
I have seen Bo Darc trees you could not cut, if you did not have a good set of dogs on your sharp chain saw. Just bounce off after skinning the bark up.

Bo Darc fibers are super fine. Working up a hatchet handle with a shoeing rasp will raise splinters worse than any other wood. People that don't know any better will want feel the unfinished wood. It will get them some little bitty splinters, that will break off when you try to pull them out.
Most folks shy away from old Bo Darc. It is beautiful after it is finished but some times on real flat surfaces the thin fibers will get you.
When I was a kid we carried a brace & good bit to make holes in the Bo Darc posts and some of the tight ringed, dark red, juniper corner posts.

I am like Joe's Dad anything that hard should be welded.

Chuck - Sat 20 May 2017 00:36:39 #0

Storm celler---root cellar

We are thinking of a storm /root cellar.
I have some between the rails wooden railroad crossing pads(for a better name). We are thinking maybe to dig two six inch side ditches and one end ditch. These steel re-enforced walls will be poured, then skidster dig the dirt out.
Wanting seven foot side walls. If we can't ditch this deep we will form it.
We will have a center steel I-Beam with a 4"X4" steel heavy wall tubing brace on both ends and one the in middle.
The crossing pads will set on top the 5" or 6" I-Beam and walls. Thinking we will have 12'X12' inside.
Heavy plastic and horse trailer matting on top of the crossing pads, then three foot or so of dirt.
Some kind of ventilation. We will figure the other end, door/steps when we get to it.
The reason for not poring a cement top. Ten miles from town--Might have to chain-saw, dig our way out.
I am thinking the walls, I-Beam, brace posts and 6" thick crossing pads will hold the 3' dirt on the top.
The reason for 3' of dirt on top--Radiation --if I figure out the steel door then wood at the bottom of the steps. Root cellar and food storage.
What does anybody think
Info is needed.

Joe Rollings - Sat 20 May 2017 22:38:41 #0

Quick assessment, more detail later

If your dirt is solid, you can dig a hole, pour the bottom of it with concrete, push in some rebar around the edges, Build a box 1 foot smaller than the hole, with LOTS of cribbing and sturdy reenforcements to keep it from sagging against the weight of the concrete, center it, then pour concrete around the edges, strike the top off flat, install whatever lid suits you.

I have done this a time or two for a septic tank and it worked great. Also very possible to use block to build the walls and fill the holes with more concrete. If you need to economise on the blocks, I have a block mold I'd be happy to loan you. Made it myself, and it DOES need a vibrator to get a good fill every time.

For ventilation, providing there is going to be more than one healthy arm in residence, I'd install a hand-crank forge blower of the Buffallo sort. Wouldn't need to run full-time anyhow, just change the air from time to time. Plenty of drawings of particulate traps on the web. Needs to be an exit pipe for worn-out air somewhere in the plan.

I still find sheet lead from time to time to make ML bullets, so you might find some for a radiation shield, OR you could melt it into sheets and eliminate some depth of hole.

Late in the day for me to think this all the way through, but I'll give it some more thought tomorrow or Tuesday, and re-post.....Got a full day Monday....Joe

Joe Rollings - Sat 20 May 2017 22:48:02 #0

One additional comment

I beams are REALLY expensive, and rebar is really cheap. You can pour most supporting beams and collumns FAR cheaper than you can buy them in steel. PLUS, poured walls will adhere to them MUCH better.....Joe

Chuck - Sun 21 May 2017 00:54:51 #0


JOE--I have some old five inch I-Beams(heavy). Twenty something feet of heavy wall 2"X6" tubing
I have a big coal forge, hand cranked blower. Can't think of the name right now. It is about ten or twelve inches in diameter. It would ex-change air pretty well.
Ditcher has a hoe on it. Around the walls will be shelving.
I was thinking about the extra labor to pour and stand the walls.
I have enough T posts and re-bar fence rods to tie it all together.
Have the new(un-used) sheet of 12 gauge metal and pipe for the outside door. Have some 4" heavy PVC pipe, plastic sheeting and trailer mats.
We have a home built wood or coal burning fan blown--SMALL-- stove. Could pull fresh air for its self.
All this stuff would bring very little in a sale.

Concrete, man power and more know-how is what I really need.
Still thinking about all this.

Joe Rollings - Sun 21 May 2017 20:11:14 #0

cellar and steel supplier

I'd dang sure never pour a wall and stand it up if it was going to be underground, because it is much easier to pour it in place around an existing bax form. The first one we poured we had a a couple of youn'ns scooping gravel into the mixer and we got the floor done in a couple of hours on something like a 7x10. I got down there and kinder rough finished it with a trowell. Can't recall if I used a ladder to get back out or if they tossed me a rope, but we let that set a coupld of days while I built the box form. Next time down, I kicked the form off into the hole and centered it, kids started scooping into the mixer again, job was done right after lunch. Had to tear up the box form to get it out because I hadn't made it sturdy enough and it went hour-glass shape and was trapped by the hard concrete.

One funny part was that because it was a septic tank, had to have a hole in each end of the form for the pipes to go in and out of, No jig say to cut a 6 inch hole in plywood, so I backed off a few feet with the double barrel shotgun and blew the holes out. They were close to perfect with a little knife work.

Sometimes, local concrete companies are looking for a place to dump the tag ends of loads when the customer orders more than his forms will hold. My grandaddy actually poured a full basement for the house he built by having them dump surplus loads into the forms, but he should have blown the dust off of the surface between loads, because it made little seperations and lines in the basement walls.

Now, on to business. For once in my life, I want to make some knives with no time pressure on me, because when we were still in business it was always a race with me, and I am confident I never once did my best. Pressure is off now that we sold out, and I am slowly putting the equipment back together and ordering some supplies and materials, but I cannot recall where we used to get those bars of 1095 and 5160 that were 6 feet long. Any help recalling it would be appreciated.

I DO have a LOT of leaf springs, front and rear, from an old dump truck that spent it's last days here, but trthey are so thick I'll either have to get my hammering arm back in shape or build another power hammer....Joe

Joe Rollings - Sun 21 May 2017 20:14:38 #0

Name of the steel outfit

popped into my head. It's admiral....Joe

bruce godlesky - Fri 26 May 2017 09:49:04 #0

Admiral has the best prices out there Joe. Gonna send an order in soon myself.
I have a new (to me)52 inch Simonds sawblade to whittle into pieces to mix with the 1095 for Damascus. Make sfor great contrast.
Another project I'm working on is an all Pennsylvania Damascus blade. have O1 and L6 from a local mill and looking for a Pa. made gun barrel to add to the mix.
It's spring turkey season here in Pa. and I'm prit near wore from hunting 5 days a week. More fun than squarshin' tadpoles!!!!

Joe Rollings - Fri 26 May 2017 22:51:14 #0

Why would you squarsh a tadpole?

Supposed to be specail health benifits for eating them alive!, but what do I know?.....Joe

bruce godlesky - Sat 27 May 2017 06:27:04 #0

when you was a kid ... or last week... walkin' down them 'ol 2 tracks after a rain the ruts is full of tiny tadpoles. A running leap and KER-Splash!!!
Ya mean to tell me you never did that??? Or taught yer grandkids to do it! hehehehe

God Bless all the brave servicemen and women who sacrificed all for our country.

bruce godlesky - Wed 31 May 2017 06:49:27 #0

bead blast abrasives

Whats good for cleaning up light scale/rust? I broke down and bought a cabinet box. Wanted to avoid rewgiular old playbox sand. Too abrasive imo. Walnut hulls anygood?? Enquiring minds........

Joe Rollings - Wed 31 May 2017 10:46:45 #0


You can buy ground up walnut hulls at petsmart and that is a pretty good abrasive. They use it for bedding for lizards, if you can believe it.

Take your blood pressure meds before using that blaster much. Lots of them around full of 45 caliber holes, including mine. They burn up vacuums realy fast or if you don't use the vacuum you can't see into them. A bit of moisture in the air supply makes the abrasive too wet to feed, etc. etc.

I now and for years past have taken care of rust scale, forge scale, pretty much whatever comes along with muratic acid, diluted, then into a baking soda and water bath to kill the remaining acid, then water. Use a bit of elbow grease to get off the remaining black stuff and it will be as clean as it will ever get....Joe

bruce godlesky - Wed 31 May 2017 17:58:59 #0


I'll check out the walnut hulls Joe. Happened to be in Tractor Supply this morning and lo and behold , they had 5 gal. buckets of glass bead and garnet so I brought home a bucket of beads. :-)

Joe Rollings - Thu 01 Jun 2017 16:20:05 #0

Carefull about getting it on the floor. It's dry but REALLY slippery!....Joe

bruce godlesky - Thu 01 Jun 2017 17:10:17 #0

thanks I'll keep that in mind.
I'm tryin to make room for this cabinet somewhat near the compressor. In the middle of renovations and space is limited. I just hate to throw stuff away!
On another note, finally found some large trap springs to make blades from . Should be a good seller at the trapper shows this summer.
Always thinkin' of other stuff to build .

Chuck - Wed 07 Jun 2017 22:51:12 #0

Checking in.

Been hitting the site everyday.
Everybody is mum.
God Bless all of you.

Buck Brown - Thu 08 Jun 2017 10:46:25 #0

Me too Chuck

Hi Bruce. I'm thinking of making some blades from trap springs. Do you know what the steel is so I can figure out how to heat treat?
Thanks, BB.

bruce godlesky - Thu 08 Jun 2017 22:13:51 #0

trap spring steel

Buck, I just sent off a piece to get it spectrographed. I'll let ya know whewn I gwet the results. It's a slow process going thru several people but the price is right.
I did run a piece thru my friend's x-ray machine and it come back .38 mn, .23 chrome and 98.8 iron. Ballpark .5 or .6 carbon. Quenched a piece in water and it shattered like glass. I bought these ones from PCS in Michigan. large double springs for wolf traps, I believe.

Joe Rollings - Fri 09 Jun 2017 10:59:15 #0

Got hung up on

When I told the woman on the phone I needed a "lovejoy coupling"....can't imagine why they didn't name those things almost ANYTHING else. Even the knockoffs carry that name....Joe

bruce godlesky - Fri 09 Jun 2017 14:43:58 #0

hung up on.....

Joe did you emphasize any particular word or phrase....?? haha

Joe Rollings - Fri 09 Jun 2017 23:00:19 #0

Tried my best to be deadpan and talk like a robot, but when I order from ladies, they always seem to either giggle or turn frosty. I hate one as much as the other....Joe

Tom C - Sat 10 Jun 2017 07:35:50 #0

Checking in

I check the posts most days, but I haven't been doing much smithing lately because of my '57 Chevy car project. I'm close to putting the body back on the frame; just a few more details to take care of, like wiring under the dash while I can still rotate the body.

Joe, I wondered about that name, too. I guess Mr. Lovejoy was proud of his invention. If the lady knew her inventory, she wouldn't have blinked an eye & asked you what size shafts you were cnnecting.

Today I'm helping my guild get ready for our annual big get together, Hammerstock. It's next Saturday at the Greyhaven Winery in Goochland County, VA. & has been pretty well attended in the past.I'm donating a forged trellis for the auction.

That's it from Central Virginia.

Tom C

Chuck - Sat 10 Jun 2017 23:40:54 #0


I have two pieces left and they don't fit each other. I even forget what I was hooking up.
But I have some odds and ends that were necessary when I got them
Quarter inch black union that will end up in a light fixture along with elbows and nipples.
Have just found out I have Macular Degeneration---Not bad right now but will need more light to finish the knives that are going to pay for the storm/root cellar. Carport is on the agenda.
Traded some knives tonight for some of the back hoe work. A fellow does what he can.

bruce godlesky - Sun 11 Jun 2017 18:29:14 #0

Chuck, go with the 4 ft LED shoplights lights. They sure help those tired old eyes. BTDT
Barter is the way to go. I did so on a new custom recurve bow today. Barter will cover half the cost.

Joe Rollings - Tue 13 Jun 2017 10:53:44 #0


Is always good, providing that the deal is settled completely before anything changes hands. Otherwise, you wind up doing stuff for barter that you would not DREAM of doing for cold, hard cash....Joe

Buck Brown - Tue 13 Jun 2017 13:54:04 #0


Thanks for the help. I did a spark test on a Victor brand trap. It shows very high carbon. I've got to think it will make a fine knife

Buck Brown - Tue 13 Jun 2017 13:58:53 #0


Bruce is right on with the led lights. We're switching everything over to them. They are a much brighter and whiter light than incandescent bulbs. Our electric company repays us for the first $100.00 worth. You might want to see if yours does too.

bruce godlesky - Tue 13 Jun 2017 17:47:07 #0


one of the big things with them lights is the absence of that annoying HUMMMMMM and flicker in cold weather......

Mike B - Wed 14 Jun 2017 20:17:21 #0


I like the LEDs too. The only problem I've had is that my welding rods don't seem as dry since I switched.

Seriously, though, is there a particular brand of the four-footers you're using?

Joe Rollings - Wed 14 Jun 2017 21:01:26 #0


I dunno if they are three or four footers, but I bought the ones from Sams club maybe a year ago, and they were the cheapest around at the time, and work GREAT !

They are still working perfectly, and if I had bought more flouresent ones, I'd be replacing bulbs by now, pro'by some for the second time....Joe

bruce godlesky - Wed 14 Jun 2017 21:34:44 #0


I'd have to look at a box I still have. They come from Rural King store.
There is another option. You can buy the led strips and mount them into existing 4 footers. By-passes the ballasts. The company I looked at was Greenway or sumpin like that.

bruce godlesky - Thu 15 Jun 2017 20:45:00 #0

Brian, did you ever find yer 15n20?

bruce godlesky - Sun 18 Jun 2017 09:19:30 #0


MikeB, the leds I have are made by Lights of America. 4500ens

Mike B - Mon 19 Jun 2017 20:39:41 #0

Thanks, Bruce! That gives me an idea what to look for.

plain ol Bill - Tue 20 Jun 2017 17:44:57 #0

HOT in the SW

Chuck you and others that live in the southwest take care in all the heat. WOW, makes me really thankful for the pacific northwest and our scorching day that hit 72. We had a young couple from Amarillo visit last weekend and were driving back through Phoenix - glad I'm not with them.

bruce godlesky - Wed 21 Jun 2017 08:46:11 #0


as they say... hotter than nine kinds of hades.
I been in the forge shop mearly last 2 mornings welding Damascus. low 60's then up from there. Finish up before it goes to 80.
Ben having all sorts of problems gettin' things to stick. Kinda think I may not be quite hot enuff.
Annoyed enuff I just may buy a made by someone else forge.

Chuck - Wed 21 Jun 2017 21:14:36 #0


JOE--If you can get on Facebook. One of my Granddaughters took some pictures of a few of my knives.
Three different knives have the wood scales from the board you gave me. She photo shopped them but you tell how nice the wood came out.
BRUCE I saw three gas fired forges in one shop of a beginning knife maker, along with a coke forge.
He has been a farrier for a long time, but has gathered everything to be a blacksmith/blademaker.
He had a couple of "Whisper" forges and another that looked impressive. Most of the top part was cast. He mentioned that it would go right up to 2100 and on up to 2300 with just an adjustment. Somehow the forge was able to be set at heat where you wanted.
My gas forge has to be pushed to make forge welding heat. I could burn up a lot of steel in Kevin's propane forges. Grin
You will see him on my Facebook. His name is Kevin Stephens. Nice young man about 60. You will like him. Menefee has went fishing in Florida. He took his oldest daughter fishing for Sharks and Tarpon. Great for them.

I would like to know what his good propane forge was, just to look it up.

JOE been having any of the desert sand storms like they have south of you?

Got to do chores.
God Bless

Chuck - Wed 21 Jun 2017 22:15:06 #0


BRUCE--Mine & Kevin's--- All the forges are propane except the coke forge.
I don't have any natural gas in my shop.

bruce godlesky - Thu 22 Jun 2017 06:09:50 #0


Gonna rig up a blower on mine today.
I think my problem is an underpowered burner.

Joe Rollings - Thu 22 Jun 2017 21:07:46 #0

No sand storms, BUT

It's been real nice and toasty here, 108 one afternoon. So far Arizona has lost about 45000 acres to wildfires and they ain't out yet, and lots fires in New Mexico, too.

My grandson used up his time on the lne and was cussing because he got "stuck" back at base filling up brush trucks, but about that time the guys that were on the fire line picked up about 50 cases of strep throat, so I'm guessing he is pretty happy to be at base filling up trucks for a while.

Gottta wonder if somebody didn't bleach canteens when they filled them or maybe didn't hand them back to the same guy.

Janet is on facebook, and I'll see if she can find your knives, but we may need some coaching.

Have a good'n......Joe

bruce godlesky - Sun 25 Jun 2017 16:19:54 #0

hot forge

I rigged up a yard balloon blower-upper to the new forge ands she just screams.
Use da piece of flexible manifold pipe to connect things. HOT!! Melted the insilboard liner this morning....... No problem with welds shearing now :-)
Picture in the recent file.




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