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Joe Rollings - Sat 10 Mar 2018 21:36:58 #0

never mind

studied the problem a bit and I can see how to move the pivot points and change the levers around to alter the work load of the spring. Got a couple of rear coils out of an old Geo Metro today and will just have to work up all of the parts until they do the job properly.

Even at my age, one sometimes forgets that the final answers come from the workbench, NOT the cad drawing......Joe

Jeff Reinhardt - Mon 12 Mar 2018 17:01:23 #0

Joe Rollings, I do my best engineering at the bench :)

Brian C. - Fri 16 Mar 2018 15:26:37 #0


Chuck, good news on your PSA! Mine was .15, the best ever. Early detection and treatment is the key. Get yourselves checked gentlemen.

Loren T - Sat 17 Mar 2018 07:09:02 #0


This article addresses this test. You Decide!

Brian C. - Mon 19 Mar 2018 16:04:57 #0


Loren T., that is not new info. My PSA numbers had been erratic since my early 50's. It shot up and red flagged my cancer. It would have been undetected without the PSA and subsequent biopsy. As it was it was caught early and I was able to be treated with radiation and without surgery or chemo. YMMV

Loren T - Tue 20 Mar 2018 09:48:50 #0

Brian C.

Thanks for the info. I have spent the majority of my life without insurance, and with Medicare, I am learning a whole lot I never knew.
This comes with regular Dr. visits, and 21 pills a day. Oh, and a B-12 shot every month. I receive a report after a blood test, and I have signed less paperwork when taking out a mortgage than I have to read in test results. I now have a good Doctor who listens, lives where he works (a small rural community), and doesn't feel the necessity to order unnecessary tests. He reminds me of my Doctor when I grew up. I used to think A1c was the third revision of the first model of a new product. And PSA was Pacific Southwest Airlines.
Hammering! (Had to put something about blacksmithing in here)

Joe Rollings - Wed 21 Mar 2018 11:33:16 #0

power hammer

Had a bit of ill health lately and have noticed something funny.

On the days when I am feeling great, the power hammer design flowers and grows and expands, and when I am not feeling so good the thing turns more basic and simple and "just get it done" style.

I am learning that on those days I need to either work on something else or nothing at all......Joe

Bert - Fri 23 Mar 2018 11:20:15 #0

Joe R

I have the same problem, feeling well or not...! There are days and then, there are Just Days....

Chuck - Thu 29 Mar 2018 00:13:23 #0


I am getting tired of this infernal machine helping me type then of all things it goes to reading my post to me and I can't shut the damn fool thing up.
We gave been barn cleaning and working on a splitter/press affair.
It has not rained in 180 days.
Dry is fashionable these days but not very becoming.
Trying to figure out how to rain dance in a birthday suit that is wrinkled pretty bad from all the dry weather.
The splitter/press is ready for wheels and a slide on the table of it.
No better than I weld it takes some grinding to straighten up the bed for the slide.
JOE hope you are faring well this days. Some days I am on slot some days I am not on slot. The sad part is--No body but Helen and I seem to give damn. Grin Been that way for years.
Nah, not really two Nietos have been helping(doing)with the barn clean-up.
New babies chicks took a bath tonight. The water deal was turned the wrong way.
I better go check them. It is cold here tonight.
Good night and
God Bless

Darrell - Sun 01 Apr 2018 13:33:55 #0


A blessed Resurrection Day to you all.

Chuck - Sun 01 Apr 2018 21:57:06 #0


It was a grateful day.
We had several Grand-Kids---all six Greats. All attended Mass.
We had fine cool day, hid the Easter eggs and candy filled plastic eggs in the house for the little ones. The high was 39.

Barn is pert near cleaned up. Splitter is coming together slowly. New chicks are growing exceptionally well. A warm spell back a few days back gave us a small mess of Asparagus.
Everyday is a gift.
God Bless

bruce godlesky - Tue 03 Apr 2018 15:26:40 #0


All it does , it seems lately, here in w Pa. is rain or snow then rain again.....
on the bright side, the ramps are up!!!!!

Got 2 hawks finished, one got raffled off Saturday night at a sportsmens banquet. Tuned 3 more up yesterday. Mebbe get them ground today and tomorrow. All so far have been either Damascus or welded cable.
Lookin' to cut out some osage handles for them.
Does anyone have a home brew for the fluid used in electro-etching stamps and logos?

Darrell - Tue 03 Apr 2018 20:47:17 #0

Salt water works. you just need enough salt to conduct electricity.

brucegodlesky - Tue 10 Apr 2018 15:02:39 #0

thanks Darrell.

Buck Brown - Mon 16 Apr 2018 10:28:10 #0

Ramblings from Southern Utah

We had an extremely mild and dry winter, and now here it is spring. Friends in western Colorado say the same thing. Cow camp cabins in the high country that are normally snowed completely over have only a foot of snow.
We are planting some cold weather plant seeds in the garden and have pepper plant seeds in peat pots inside.
Baby chicks came last Friday and are doing well.
I'm going to fire up the forge one of these days. A friend wants some branding irons to wood burn a sign for his driveway.
Take care my friends!

Chuck - Tue 17 Apr 2018 00:44:05 #0

smithing -weather + stuff

Trying to get ready for a G & K show at Raton, NM.
Slow but gaining. Kindling Splitter, Pig Tail flipper , spatulas, meat forks , a few knives that were ground before the Macular deal. Grand son BRADY Wagner is helping.
No winter to speak of -pop corn fart dry winter. Less than 2 tenths moisture in almost seven months.
HELEN is having plenty health problems----Eyes, Auto Immune, R.A., F. M. Renown's. Way too much for my sweetheart. All are painful.
Age is a rough deal but we waited too long to skip it.
Blessings to all of you.

bruce godlesky - Thu 19 Apr 2018 09:18:18 #0

Hang in there Sandpile!!
Old age ain't for the timid and you folks certainly aren't timid!!

Every time the weather breaks , I get into the forge shop and bang out a few knives and hawks. Then, WHASM, it snows again! This crap is gettin' old!
Any suggestions on steel type for making slitters?? For opening up hatchet holes??

Joe Rollings - Thu 19 Apr 2018 17:53:38 #0

leaf springs


Joe Rollings - Thu 19 Apr 2018 17:58:29 #0

leaf springs

Power hammer is coming together, but I need some straight leaf springs and got no way to heat treat something that long, so I called the spring shop and asked them about dong it, because they do all kinds of stuff to springs.

Guy tells me he gets his 5160 already heat treated and arced and can alter the arc or flatten it or whatever in the press. Anybody care to take a guess if he is just getting it as rolled? If he is doing that, I can just buy 20 feet from admiral and cut it up like I want it and use it. Seems pretty hard when it comes in, so maybe it is used "normalized".

Any thoughts?......Thanks.....Joe

Jeff Reinhardt - Thu 19 Apr 2018 18:51:48 #0

leaf spring steel

I get what is called "Repair plates" and they are from Triangle spring co. Definitely already arched and heat treated. But the heat treat is not full hard. I can cut them with my cutoff bandsaw with a bimetal blade.My spring shop where I buy them will de-arch them for a little extra and that is what I use in my power hammer. He has a press and tooling made from the very large U bolts from truck axles. Pushes between the u bolt laid on its side between the legs and takes many many bites to easily level the spring to flat. The Triangle spring rep was there one day as I visited and he told me Triangle uses ONLY 5160 in the leaf springs.

Chuck - Fri 20 Apr 2018 23:19:35 #0


I have used 5160 in the 'done' stage to annealed.
5160 straight from the spring joints works for 'kindling splitters' but are to soft for dies in my 'Little Giant' fifty. I rose budded the face of the dies to a high(1400+) red, quenched in a warm Texaco quench, colored it back with a rose bud. It works pretty well.
JOE If your making a 'Helm' type just use it as is, while making the arch work for you. A couple of springs(used tandem)off a dodge one ton or even a 3/4 ton should work for a helm. It might be hard to figure the fulcrum.
I use 5160 drops from an Amarillo spring joint for knives. I anneal then re-harden and draw. I really like 5160.
BRUCE--I got suckered into going to Raton, NM for a G & K show. Neitos were gung-ho now they are dragging. I can't see well enough grind to a line or cut handle material to fit. Will just grind to fit. GRIN. Have blacksmithed enough stuff to fill a table, with some older knives.
Good luck to all
God Bless

Jeff Reinhardt - Sat 21 Apr 2018 06:58:28 #0

Helve hammer spring

I use spraings tempered as bought in my helve hammer. Mine is a 70#.

Joe Rollings - Sat 21 Apr 2018 14:05:17 #0


Well, I took the advice and straightened the springs as instructed right down to pressing them between the legs of the U bolt, and it worked just dandy!

Turns out after much agonizing that the hammer will be 100 pounds, the anvil around 1300, the base plate is 3 four foot sections of 10" H beam welded together that should come to about another 600 pounds. Should be close to a 20/1 ratio, and I could have added more hammer but I dunno what I would do with more than 100 pounds of hammer. I can't pick up much more than 100 pound work piece any more, and even then I better be picking it up from a bench, not the floor.

Ready to address the pivot and guide, now. I was going to make the clutch a slipping flat belt, but I guess that tire clutch has such a good reputation that there is no need bucking success. I'm thinking I may use a stack of hard rubber wheels instead of a metal roller to rub against the tire, though. Might make the tires last longer and be cheaper than a big old slug of metal anyway.

Thank y'all for your help, and everybody be careful. We don't hold up like we used to....God bless.....Joe

Jeff Reinhardt - Sun 22 Apr 2018 07:01:18 #0

tire clutch

Joe my hammer has the tire clutch and it far out performs the slipping belt I had before. I used the rear bearing hub assembly off a 1990 Gran Voyager. It has a bolt flange, sealed taper roller bearings and has worked at 70# weight for years now. I mounted the lower pivot for the pitman that would have been welded to the compact spare to the cut out center of another wheel that fit that hub and then did not have to weld to the compact spare wheel. that took away the issues of welded to a wheel with the tire on it, I just used the same lug bolts that held the tire wheel on to hold the pivot wheel center on. I used a heavy turnbuckle from a building wind stay for the pitman and to give adjustment. Go as big here as you can as the threads take a beating load. My pivot for the helve is the rear cap off a hydraulic cylinder, with the mounting clevis to match. I used the original pin too. cross drilled every pivot for grease holes and added zerks for the grease. I use moly grease and have seen no pivot wear since 2002. I also uses rod end clevises and pins for the pittman end as well.I copied The Tire Hammer slide design and it works well.

Loren T - Sun 22 Apr 2018 07:01:50 #0

Joe-Picking up from a bench

I can relate to that. I tell people that anything close to the ground is no longer my friend. I had a conversation with a guy in Washington State at a yard sale. He had a new metal building shop about 30 x 50. It was pretty much empty and I wondered what was going on. Seems he had it built for a retirement
project. He did transmission rebuilds and figured he would do some side work when he retired. What he didn't foresee was that he could get down, but not back up. AND he didn't have enough head room to put in a hoist.

Jeff Reinhardt - Sun 22 Apr 2018 07:05:18 #0

Tire clutch

Joe there are photos under my name in the gallery that show some of the details that may be helpful. I used a steel slug for the tire. It has the as turned finish on the rubbing surface. No observed wear since I installed it years ago. Some folks I know have used a Knurled surface and it makes the clutch too grabby and eats the tire. Have no fear of excess wear with a steel tire. Mine was made while I worked at the axle forge shop so it is a hunk of truck axle stock.

Joe Rollings - Tue 24 Apr 2018 10:28:36 #0

Thanks, Jeff!

The forces in those machines are interesting. That spring provides a LOT of isolation for the parts holding and moving it. When I was running the one I built previously, it occurred to me that the linkages and pivot on the spring could be beaten to death in a couple of minutes under the hammer, but they run smooth and last long on the other end of the spring.

I also admired your trowels and other stuff. Would you care to share how much you sold those for? I am acquainted with a lot of mineral diggers. Again, thanks....Joe

Jeff Reinhardt - Tue 24 Apr 2018 16:29:15 #0

trowels and stuff

Joe I sell the RR spike trowels currently for $50 each and I sell my Messaluna choppers for $45. The choppers and trowels are both on ETSY and the choppers are on Handmade at Amazon.The trowel sales peaks and ebbs, as does Mesalunas.

Joe Rollings - Thu 26 Apr 2018 20:43:25 #0

Thanks, jeff

I won't get into your marketplace or even online. I just think the rockhounds and arrowhead diggers would "dig" them.

Got the toggle assembly ready to put together and starting on the offset pin for the crankshaft. I'll prob'ly not weld it to the wheel, but only because my eyes tell me I should not trust my welding amy more. Mig is broken down and the wheels I have a pretty thin material for stick.

I might just turn some really long lug nuts on the lathe, thread them, bolt a plate to the tops of them and put the pin in the plate.

Taking the project slow and enjoying it.......Joe

Loren T - Fri 27 Apr 2018 08:09:40 #0


Joe, I am also questioning my welding. I haven't used a stick welder in years, and find out that old standby rod 7024 isn't stocked anymore, at least locally. I am replacing the tongue on a 25' trailer for a customer, and using a Miller Thunderbolt 225 AC I have had for 20 years. I forgot that the duty cycle is important, and when it just quit, I discovered I had melted the end off the transformer winding, which was aluminum. I have always wanted it to be a DC weld, and went to You Tube. For $25 I bought a bridge rectifier and rewired it. Now it is a DC and works great. I hooked up the High range, and just abandoned the low range. Now my welds are a lot better looking.

Joe Rollings - Fri 27 Apr 2018 11:05:25 #0


My problem is more in eyesight. I delivered a violent attack to a high lift jack handle with my head :) a long time ago that affected my right eye and it has had both good and lousy doctoring since then, some of which destroyed it's ability to react to light.

I simply cannot make out what is happening in the weld puddle like I used to. I guess I have some other rims like the one I will be using that I could practice on, but the idea of putting that kind of strain on the thin metal of the spare tire wheel has me picturing the whole plate coming off under load and giving me a thrashing.

I have gotten more cowardly in recent years, because at my age there is a decent chance that my heirs may be using or selling what I am building today....Joe

Jeff Reinhardt - Sun 29 Apr 2018 06:52:44 #0

pivot mount on tire clutch

Joe Rollings, I would recommend using the lug nuts to hold another steel part against the clutch wheel as a geed alternative to welding to the actual wheel. That is what I did and it has worked well for many years. If you use the center of another wheel with the rim cut off, you may be able to use the existing lugs. if you use the rear hub bearing assembly as I did and then remove the backing plate and the brake drum it is pretty clean and the thickness of the brake drum is about the thickness of the second wheel center.

Joe Rollings - Wed 02 May 2018 22:58:27 #0

power hammer parts

I am working with the rear tire and wheel from a Geo Metro, which has 4 lug bolts. I took off the rear hubs which have the brake drums integral with the hubs and discovered that the splines on the lug bolts were a tad undersize to drill out for 1/2" uss threaded rod, so I drilled them, and tapped for 1/2" coarse thread, extended them a bit and will soon mount an old sprocket to the extended lugs with pipe spacers and weld a large nut to the sprocket to accept the crank pin.

Next chore is to either salvage the spindles from the Geo or turn fresh ones and weld them to a support block. Getting cranked as things come together.

Remaining major component is the guide for the hammer. Part of me wants to just go steel on steel and use a high quality grease, but another part wants to make brass gibs that are adjustable. 5/8" round brass is available for gibs and I have everything I need to make them, but doing it right is one thing and wasting time and material is another.

Any thoughts? And, by the way, thank you for your help. Nothing in this world is equal to a guy who has "been there and done that"....Again....thanks ...Joe

Jeff Reinhardt - Thu 03 May 2018 19:03:47 #0

power hammer parts

Joe, I did a take on the tire hammer ram and guides. I used 1/4" wall 6" square tube with a 5" square tube for the ram. I used 1/4" UHMWPE for the bearing surfaces. Has worked well for 7 years and just now thinking about some new poly for the bearings. I used countersunk flat head screws through the tube wall to retain and that has worked well. The ram has a 3" or so think block welded inside the open end and was plug welded from the side. That is drilled and tapped for the dies. I filled the open remaining space with drops of 2.25" by .5" flat bar with lots of stick weld.I had two of those bars extended up above the tube to carry the rollers to ride above and below the spring. If I rebuild I will probably go to a rubber bushed link as there is a clatter as the rollers bounce back and forth against the spring.

Chuck - Sun 06 May 2018 18:15:24 #0


DARRELL--- Which island do you live on? The Hawaii Island is catching it? Lava flow and quakes, bad mocus.
Not likely to let up anytime soon?
HOT and DRY here.
Planting garden--hope the heat does not turn up like it did last year.
We have had a steady high wind for weeks. Less than an inch of moisture in the last seven months. Fires keep cropping up around the panhandle.
I put a kiddy wading pool of water out(with a 2X4 in it)for the quail and pheasants, in case any wanted to nest around here.
We are closer each day to having a rain.
God Bless

Darrell - Mon 07 May 2018 03:59:48 #0

Big Island

We are about 80 miles from the lava outbreak. It is moving away from us and
the current outbreak is no danger to us. We did have a 6.9 earthquake a
couple of days ago. We were far enough away that it was simply a small shaking. It is quite a trial for the people that live in the subdivision
where the lava is surfacing. As of tonight, 30 homes have been destroyed.
The sulfur dioxide gas is quite heavy in the Leilani subdivision.
They let people in 2 selected areas to retrieve property when it is safe.

Buck Brown - Thu 10 May 2018 10:08:26 #0


Thanks for the up-date, Darrell. Knee mail up for those not so fortunate.

Joe Rollings - Sat 19 May 2018 22:33:57 #0

Power hammer stuff

To catch up anybody else who is building one, the easy way out for the drive wheel to rub the tire is an X series weld-on sprocket hub in the proper size bore for the motor shaft. The OD will be about 2 1/2" but one can bore and then turn on the lathe a 2" hole in a larger round bar and weld in the hub, if one has a metal lathe. That will get you an accurate hole for the motor shaft, a proper set screw and keyway to keep the hub on the shaft and running true.

Total price.....$12....well worth the money.....Joe

Jeff Reinhardt - Sun 20 May 2018 06:40:10 #0


Joe Rollings. The weld in hub is a good shortcut. My steel wheel to rub the tire is about 2 1/2" od so that would work as is on mine.

bruce godlesky - Sat 26 May 2018 10:57:45 #0

Decoration Day

Hope everyone enjoys this special day coming up. It's not about the celebration , it's the sacrifice paid by many.
I always attend a small visitation by the local VFW to the "home" cematery where I was raised and a lot of family is buried. Lots of memories there......
Been attending since I was a kid.

Smithing content..... getting some cable billets cleaned up I started this week. Making a run of BBQ tools, flippers and squirrel forks. Labor intensive but fun stuff!!

Alex Ivey - Wed 30 May 2018 19:50:33 #0


Sorry to say I had to cancel my registration for the conference today due to the wife's continuing cancer treatments. I thought we would be able to attend but found that it just can't happen. LXIV,

Tom C - Fri 01 Jun 2018 21:21:44 #0

Sorry to hear you can't make it. I was looking forward to catching up with you. Family comes first,however, especially the missus.Here's hoping for a full recovery.

Tom C

Joe Rollings - Sat 02 Jun 2018 20:02:26 #0


Really sorry to hear of your wife's illness. Prayers up for her quick recovery.....Joe

Joe Rollings - Sat 02 Jun 2018 20:34:28 #0

Power hammer stuff

Power hammer is well along the road to completion, and have to come to a few decisions that would be a bit difficult to re-make after the fact.

Have a 7" mechanical stroke and guesstimate will have about 12" of combined total stroke. There is 16" of ram movement inside the guide, so I can do an additional 4" max of adjustment with the turnbuckle, and even more by adding and removing dies and anvil extensions.

The anvil top itself is about 10" deep, front to back and about 2 feet wide, side to side. It is an old tractor weight somewhere between 1000 and 1300 pounds, so the entire hammer may be near a ton, but it seems like I should put a smaller top on the anvil, like a 5 " round or square, up a few inches from the top of the weight, just because of the difficulty of finding a way to get tongs flat on the side of the hammering surface, if that makes sense. I have lots of material to choose from, including 3" square bar which I can double up on to make a 6" square, 3 inches high, or a 1" 16 X 16" plate I can cut any shape from.

I also have to choose what goes on the bottom of the ram. I have read endless discussions about dies V. bottom tools like spring fullers, etc. The ram is made from the 3" square bar, and it would be easy enough to put a 6" section of that crossways on the end of the ram and make a pins-in-holes arrangement to lock other 3" wide dies to that, but which might make it tougher to use bottom tooling.

So far, after I truly got started, things have gone really well, and I have made the guide with brass gibs inserted into milled slots and adjusting screws, got a removable plate system for the wheel and took far more time and care than I ever used to when building a machine, because at this age, my Grandson may wind up running it after I am gone, and it would suck for him to get hurt on my machine. Or anybody else, for that matter.

Of course, I realize most of the questions I have asked are up to the individual and have no 100% always-right answers, but anything along the lines of discussion about what causes the most frustration will help to make my choices. Once I have that guide mounted, it would be a major hassle to decide it needed to have a 6" block welded to or taken off of the anvil and the guide height changed.

I also wanted to add that if anybody has a surface they would like to add a hardy hole to, those same weld-on x series sprocket hubs come in square holes from about 3/4" to maybe 1 1/4", and one could drill a round hole topped with one of those and have a nice tight hardy hole.

Thanks in advance for any help......Joe

Chuck - Tue 05 Jun 2018 23:48:53 #0

Stuff and hammer

ALEX Sorry to hear about the Missus. Hoped she was doing better. Blessings to y'all you are on our prayer list.
JOE you need room to change dies and work your metal and tongs--fullers. I like the room on my Giant '50'.
I would like to have at least 6" clearance including top and bottom, more if possible.
I work around my hammers to 180 or 200 degrees. Sometimes a helper is holding tongs or fullers from a 90 to me.
My dies are close to three inches wide and as much as six inches long.
Hope this might be something you were wanting to know.
Blessings to the folks on 'Big Island'.
Cimarron, NM folks got to go back home. Ute Park, NM still has 200 dwellings threatened.

Joe Rollings - Thu 07 Jun 2018 22:41:05 #0

Glad to hear

that ute park still HAS 200 buildings. News made it sound like they were all gone.

Good stuff about the hammers, Chuck.....Thanks......Joe

Buck Brown - Fri 08 Jun 2018 12:20:54 #0

Anyone heard from Darrell?

We're in the high 90's here already. Need to make handles for 2 branding irons I made for a friend, so I better get it done soon.

Talked to a friend near Glenwood Springs, Colorado, my old home town. The Colorado River usually peaks after June 15th. It peaked the 1st of June this year at 50% of normal run off.

Darrell - Fri 08 Jun 2018 12:58:42 #0

Still here

Finished re-building the Bridgeport and now I am converting the Enco lathe to CNC.
Made the timing pulleys for that on the Bridgeport.
Pulled the engine on my 98 Forester and fixed the oil leak and put it back.
Next project is to re-build my power hammer and see if I can get it to run the way it should.

Alex Ivey - Fri 15 Jun 2018 17:00:12 #0

Joe & Chuck

I thank you both for your prayers concerning my wife's cancer and treatments. She is done with chemo and radiation and things are looking better at this point but only time will tell if everything she went through works out for her. Her doctor that did the operation and guided her through the treatments is very optimistic that she will have a full recovery Thanks again guys. LXIV,

Chuck - Sun 17 Jun 2018 01:45:54 #0

Alex Ivey

ALEX glad to hear a positive prognosis.
The bad part of growing older is the gradual--sometimes drastic downward spiral of our health.

Looks like my eye deal is permanent, I will find something to occupy my time. Garden is off to a good start.
We got an inch and a quarter Friday, with another sixty seven hundreds this afternoon. This old country is going to be green once again.
The prospects for more rain this coming week seems good.

Tonight Derek, our fifth grandson brought a ten foot piece of two inch draw bar stock. I would guess this steel to be 40 series steel.

DARRELL good luck amigo, the volcano seems to want to turn its self wrong side out.
Keep the gas masks handy. Meter the Sulphur Dioxide(sp) bad stuff.
Good night
God Bless

Tom C - Fri 22 Jun 2018 08:02:27 #0

Big doings in the Old Dominion

Well it's less than a week to the start of the ABANA Conference here in Virginia. Our gild has lent a bunch of equipment to help out. I've lent a Vulcan anvil to the Learning tent. It looks like the weather will be cooperative with PM showers on Thursday only. I look forward to seeing my metal mangler buds here on my home turf. Besides the gallery at the conference, there are 2 shows of metalwork in the area. Gallery Flux in Ashland has a show of various smiths & CVBG has a little exhibition at Artworx in Richmond. I invite anyone to get in touch with me for shop visits or a trip to Dominion Salvage on Southside for interesting metal doodads.




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