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Darrell - Sat 30 Jun 2018 19:38:41 #0

CNC Mill

Well I have the CNC mill up and running. Just one major problem, I can't seem to get the darn thing to do what I wanted to do. It keeps doing exactly what I told it to do. Seeings as it refuses to learn I guess I'm just going to have to break down and teach myself.

Alex Ivey - Fri 06 Jul 2018 12:57:30 #0


So how was the conf. Sorry I had to miss it, LXIV,

Joe Rollings - Sat 07 Jul 2018 22:36:13 #0

still stroking

on that silly power hammer. The older I get the slower I get and the less sure of myself. 10 years ago I would have had it together in 1/4 the time and lived with how it turned out, but all of a sudden I am picky and questioning everything I do.

Ready to deal with the dies, and have noticed from reading that everybody who started out with flat dies is REALLY glad they did, while everybody who started out with changeable bolt-on or dovetail dies is ALSO really glad that they did. Go figure.

I looked at Clifton Ralf's die clamp and like it, but dunno if it will keep a top die in place or not. Not a good thing to be hit in the chest with if the clamp fails.

The top die attachment will be my last big decision, or perhaps deciding whether to just stick with flat dies and loose tooling. Anybody got any opinions to add that might help me make it?

Chuck, as you might recall, I gave up on my eyes for any precision work almost 20 years ago after being whacked with a jack handle and seeing curves where none existed. After a few years passed, my mind corrected what I was seeing and I got another decade of hand grinding silversmith tools off hand to REALLY tight tolerances. Take your pulse every morning. If you ain't dead, you ain't finished......Joe

Darrell - Sun 08 Jul 2018 00:22:47 #0

Change in the wind

Well working towards a new adventure. If I can sell this house in the near future
we will be moving to Eugene Oregon area. There is a lot to do to make this happen.
We need to get the extra stuff sold off and some minor repairs on the building
and then find somebody that wants to buy this place.

Chuck - Sun 08 Jul 2018 23:56:29 #0

DARRELL---We are with you. Anything we might be able help you with let us know. We have some twice removd cousins in Eugene.

I am like you I would just move on. I can imagine the day to day worry that everybody is experiencing over there.

Joe we have got a strong idler button over here. Can't stay hooked on a hoe handle very long at a time. Just now starting to get gather a little from the green patch.
We have had a total of just over three inches of moisture since September 30. Nine months and most of this came in small increments. We had one rain of 1.25 ---thought we had a flood. Grin. Could be worse---We have not had a fire or killer storm come through.
Blessings DARRELL hope everything works out alright.


Joe Rollings - Mon 09 Jul 2018 19:47:53 #0


Darrell, we moved 11 times in 50 years, and always recall those moves, the big ones at least, as times of big excitement and anticipation, with good cause. Born under a wandering star, I guess. Still get the urge from time to time, but I suspect we will finish up here.

One piece of unasked for advice, simply because I can't help myself.

In all of those moves, I cannot recall a single time when our previous house was sold by a realtor. Not that we have not tried them, but if they get an inkling that you are in a bit of a hurry to get the place sold, they will overprice it, go through all sorts of contortions to stall it off, then when they sense you are desperate, bring around a favored client that will kick some money back to them ro make an offer on it themselves.

Just saw that story get re-played again just down the road. Owner was happy that the realtor thought the place was worth so much and listed it so high, months dragged by, next thing you know, the realtor owned it for a pittance and now has it up for rent.

In the instances when we listed homes with realtors, the term expired and they cane around to relist, I refused, had it sold myself in about a month both times. Just saying......Joe

Darrell; - Mon 09 Jul 2018 22:33:14 #0


Thanks Joe. Not much in favor of agents myself. Seems they want a lot for not doing much of anything.

Darrell - Tue 10 Jul 2018 12:46:22 #0


The X axis ballscrew is working now I just have to get the Z axis going.

Loren T - Wed 11 Jul 2018 08:07:53 #0

Real estate agents

The town where we lived in the AZ mountains had a population of about 3000, 5000 plus cabins, and 7 real estate offices plus 3 new developments that had their own agents. I knew one couple who bought a cabin from one agent, then sold it and bought another one 3 more times over about 6 or 7 years. I lump real estate agents together with lawyers, accountants, and bankers. They produce NOTHING and merely live off the labors and heartaches of others. Years ago the Multiple Listing Service publication was like the holy grail and not to be shown to the general public. It was jealously guarded. Now you can take virtual tours via the internet put together by homeowners themselves. Sale documents are handled by a title company. Now who needs agents?

Darrell - Wed 11 Jul 2018 23:52:50 #0


I need 6 pieces of steel, 4340 or 5160 1/8 of an inch by 3/4 of an inch by 18 inches.
Where what I look for something like that? I could get away with 1 inch with but I am not having any luck finding anything close. Any help would be appreciated.

Joe Rollings - Thu 12 Jul 2018 11:05:24 #0


I dunno anything about 4340, but 5160 is all over the place in the form of auto leaf springs. I think you might have to split the width and forge the thickness down from about .200 which is a fair amount of work, but that would get you there.

I have been caught in those shopping "traps" where you spend lots more time searching than if you had just resolved to resize what is easy to get. The bi-metal bandsaw blades will split the leaf springs as-tempered and if you have a power hammer you can use a kiss block to beat the stuff to thickness.

You can copy and paste this to get to admiral steel's offerings of 5160;

Rotsa ruck......Joe

Joe Rollings - Thu 12 Jul 2018 11:13:08 #0


These guys have the right thickness but it would need to be ripped more narrow...


Chuck - Sun 15 Jul 2018 00:02:49 #0


DARRELL: The various steel sell about any steel you want. You may have to work it over a little.
The one steel outfit I have found with drops and the 18" --36" lengths is Amektek Steel. I will be in the shop tomorrow.
Freddie Haire told me about them. I kinda like them except I believe might be an Arab. company.
Good service, prices, assorted sizes.
If you have anybody building -off road vehicles-----Like from Jeeps-- They take the brand new coiled springs off the Jeeps. The 9/16" or 5/8" 5160 in these coiled springs works excellently.
You do have a hammer or press?
How much you need?
Dryer than a pop-corn fart out here.
I hope the lava flows have slowed up. We are not getting news about them now.

Chuck - Sun 15 Jul 2018 00:05:50 #0


AMETEK STEEL----I will be in the shop tomorrow for the right addy.

Chuck - Sun 15 Jul 2018 00:09:45 #0


AMTEK STEEL= This seems to be the National or Global addy.

Hope this helps.

Darrell - Sun 15 Jul 2018 13:23:49 #0


I ordered some 1095 from Adm. Steele because I figure it will do what I need It to do.
It came in the 0.125" x 1" x 18" that I needed. Thank you all for the help.

Tom C - Wed 25 Jul 2018 13:26:20 #0

Abana Conference pix

I've posted several pix from last month's Abana Conference. The first one is of "Bad" Roger Degner flexing his muscles. I'll put some more up later.

Joe Rollings - Wed 25 Jul 2018 20:22:49 #0

New hammer

OK, got the new 100 pound hammer far enough along to try a few beats. Still gotta build up a lot of welds, put in some braces, etc, but my foot was itching to caress that pedal.

Hits good and hard, machine is heavy enough to hold steady without hold-down bolts, but I need to get a bit more control. Can't make it just tap lightly. I think I may have messed up by spraying some belt dressing on the tire. Pretty grabby now. I also think I need to stiffen the spring, because just starting off with a 5 inch separation between the hammer and die it will kiss.

I will work it out, but any comments welcome....and thanks......Joe

Jeff Reinhardt - Wed 25 Jul 2018 20:29:23 #0

Joe's tire hammer

On my tire clutch powerhammer I have the steel roller "as turned" and no belt dressing. I have also found the sweet spot for tire pressure. It does make a big difference. I run mine at about 30 psi instead of the 50 for a spare tire use.I see some "denting" of the tire when the treadle is fully pressed. I also find that in changing weather I get condensation and that makes Too much slip

Joe Rollings - Sat 28 Jul 2018 22:02:27 #0

tire pressure

makes a profound difference....thanks.....Joe

Joe Rollings - Tue 31 Jul 2018 22:35:13 #0


is a sweetheart! Thought I was finished except for the paint, tossed a 3/4" hex nut, cold, on the flat die and closed it up tight in a half dozen beats, each beat well controlled. Later, the clamp that binds the ends of the spring leaves together sheared a 3/8" bolt, so I will have to bore them out for 1/2" bolts and put double-nuts on them, tack weld the clamps to the spring leaves. Other minor tuning and finishing, but that ultra controlled power tells me I am almost there.

My uncle I was named for told me once that "you have not lived if you have never throttled any steam", and I think the power hammer is a close substitute, at least when it works right.

Thanks, one and all, for your help. Can't believe I started building it in March. Time flies when you are having fun.....Joe

Bert - Wed 01 Aug 2018 10:27:39 #0

So Joe....

Pics when you can??? Inquiring minds and all that...


Joe Rollings - Thu 02 Aug 2018 14:16:12 #0


Yeah, I took some lousy ones yesterday, but will do a good bunch in a few days and post them. Might wait for the paint.... :) ...Joe

Darrell - Fri 10 Aug 2018 02:59:50 #0

Power hammer

Well I have most all the bugs worked out. I can do single blows, clamp,
pound light and pound heavy. The best part is that it is doing this on 35# of air pressure.
Here is a clip of it,

Chuck - Sun 12 Aug 2018 19:13:15 #0


DARRELL--Got a good lick and stick. Great on the low pressure. Hope things are going well on your planned move.
We don't hear anything on the news anymore.
Hope your health stays good.

JOE sounds like you got it coming your way. We are not using our shop much--
Gardening mostly. We did put some handles on blades that were ground years ago. Started carrying six inch Knipex pliers to favor stiff hands and THUMBS. Made a sheath for them put an A2 chisel ground inside the sheath behind the pliers. Could have been better designed.
Blessings to all
---send us a rain.

Tom C - Fri 17 Aug 2018 08:40:52 #0


I am a day or so from starting the engine in my '57 Chevy project. Some wiring, fluids & installing a temporary driver's seat & I can try it out. It's been an interesting 2 1/2 years.

I'm looking forward to taking a break & going to Quad States in a month. Who else is going?

Chuck, We have had 42" of rain so far this year in Richmond, about 18" more than normal. We could spare a foot or so if we were able.

Tom C

Jeff Reinhardt - Tue 21 Aug 2018 17:24:10 #0

Quad State

I am goiang as I and the BFH team are the Friday Night demo! :)

Loren T - Fri 24 Aug 2018 14:05:09 #0


How are you faring with the hurricane? Hope all is well.

Loren T - Fri 24 Aug 2018 14:06:14 #0

Meant for Darrell

Lane is the hurricane

Darrell - Fri 24 Aug 2018 14:22:12 #0


Here in Ocean View we have renamed it to Hurricane Lame. So far we have 1.5" of rain
and a gust of 36 mph. Hasn't even tipped over the plastic lawn chair.

Loren T - Sat 25 Aug 2018 08:07:26 #0


That's good news. When we lived in Lake Stevens, WA, storms from the west would hit the Olympic peninsula. There they would split and come back together right over us. It is known as the convergence zone. Now that we are living in Eucha, OK, storms from the west split just before reaching us, putting us squarely in the divergence zone. Don't know how this relates to blacksmithing, except that sometimes I really miss my shop in the mountains of Arizona. Forge work is much more comfortable with 7-10% humidity rather than the 84% it is here.

Darrell - Sat 25 Aug 2018 15:00:42 #0

Hurricane Lame

Well Lame has broken up. We have got about 3" more rain. Our 12,500 gal. tank is
almost full again. It should be full by Wednesday. We depend on rain for water.
It's called "Catchment system". So far we haven't had to buy water for the last 2 years.

Joe Rollings - Mon 27 Aug 2018 10:12:36 #0

Got lost in the heat

A couple of weeks ago I either dehydrated or caught a bug and started getting dizzy, then started getting so dizzy I barfed and barfed. I thought I was low on salt, but doc says there is a bug that affects the inner ear and people get so dizzy they cannot sit up and barf until they pass out. Sounds about right. She says it takes 2 weeks to get back from it, and that sounds about right, too.

Going for paint for the hammer tomorrow if everything lines up right, and I seem to be back straight again, so here we go!

I will post hammer pics when it is painted, but I wanted to point out that one can "tune" those leaf springs on a hammer pretty well with the two "bundle clamps" that hold the ends of the spring bundles together.

A weak spring makes it hit harder but you lose some control and a strong spring makes it not hit so hard but you can control it better. To strengthen the spring, lose some impact strength, gain some control, move the bundle clamps as far from the center as you can and still capture all of the leaves in the clamps.

To gain impact strength, sacrifice some control, you weaken the spring by moving the clamps closer together, away from the ends of the bundle. One caution, the more you weaken the spring bundle, the longer the stroke, so you could start hitting the guide with the hammer head.....Talk to y'all soon....Joe

bruce godlesky - Thu 30 Aug 2018 07:01:44 #0


That inner ear bug must be all over the country. Got it her ein w Pa. Twice actually. Thought it might be the wet humid conditions we have had all summer.
Rather annoying at times, stand up and dizziness puts ya right back down!

Had a really close call in the shop last weekend. Had a pair of guys here learning the Damascus process. Let a hot billet get away from me. Smacked me right between the eyes. Didn't even see it coming..... Lucky fer sure!! Not many options on a Saturday afternoon for repairs, so ER it was. 6 stitches. YOW!!
It actually cauterized part of the wound. Gals attending said I had made their afternoon since they don't get many knifemakers/smiths on a regular basis (BOG)

On another note, I think I can make the trek across Ohio to Quad States this yr.
Gonna meet 10 Hammers there and who knbows who else.....

Loren T - Thu 30 Aug 2018 08:16:47 #0


I have had my share stitches throughout the years. One time I was laying on the table while a doctor put 7 or 8 stitches in my scalp. The local nurse practitioner ran into my wife in the hallway and asked what she was doing at the hospital. She came in the emergency room and asked if they were taking good care of me. Later when I got the bill, there was a $90 consult fee from her! (Which I didn't pay). Now is a good time to review the cautionary tale of Paw Paw Wilson's tangle with a grinder across the street. It has accompanying pictures. I NEVER use a bench grinder that I don't think about that.

bruce godlesky - Thu 30 Aug 2018 09:16:44 #0


not the 1st time for me :-) I've gotten to the point where superglue is my friend. This time, no.

Sure are a multitude of ways to hurt yourself in the shop. I'm familiar with a lot of them, heheheh

Joe Rollings - Sat 01 Sep 2018 11:27:11 #0


I have had a lot of grinder injuries and they are especially prone to infection, but my most humorous set of stitches was in Miami, New Mexico. We lived just a mile or so from the doc and it was a weekend, but he always told us to drop by if we needed anything, so my wife drove my tore-up hand and me over to his house and he sat me down at the dining room table, washed it up, and was fixing to start sewing when his wife came into the room and told him it just was not right to have his spit-cup on the table when he was stitching me up, so he threw it in the trash outside, changed gloves, got down to business.

He was a guy who always had his black bag with him, like the old timey docs of yesteryear......Joe

bruce godlesky - Mon 03 Sep 2018 11:06:13 #0


Joe, sounds like a good ol boy to have in the neighborhood!!

Tom C - Wed 05 Sep 2018 13:05:58 #0

Big day yesterday

I started the engine in my '57 Chevy restomod project yesterday. After 2 years & 8 months, it's come alive. The engine is from a 2011 Silverado & was an order of magnitude more complicated to install & get running than a stock setup. I have a date with the painters next Friday.

Tom C

Chuck - Sun 09 Sep 2018 00:45:18 #0

Grandson's car wreck

Our Grand-son CY WAGNER had a bad car wreck at 1:00 Monday the 13TH of August.
He is still in ICU at Northwest Hospital in Amarillo.
He did a number on his head. Still not really awake. Seems to be his own self part of the time but not much. He is going to be laid up for a long while.
The Doctors think he will recover because of his age and health.
He is in a neck brace to hold his head up and back when they set him up.
Sure hard watching a 27 year old that is helpless as a new born. He was and will be again as tough as a junk yard dog.
It is going to take us a spell to get there.
Any unused prayers would be appreciated.
God Bless

Jeff Reinhardt - Sun 09 Sep 2018 07:07:33 #0


Prayers being sent Chuck

bruce godlesky - Sun 09 Sep 2018 20:44:49 #0

Sandpiles grandson

Had a serious TBI near 20 yrs ago. It's a long road but not impossible with a lot of prayer and gumption.
Kneemail sent!!

Tom C - Wed 12 Sep 2018 08:03:20 #0

Looks like we'll get some serious weather here on the East Coast. The hurricane has taken a turn to the left a little so it might not be as bad for us in Virginia, but the coastal Carolinas look to get pasted, again. Last time we had a hurricane come through Richmond, Gaston in 2004, there was widespread flooding from all the rain.It was good we had a flood wall because it kept all the cars from getting flushed into the James River.

bruce godlesky - Wed 12 Sep 2018 20:15:58 #0


keep yer waterwings handy Tom!
We had near 7 inches here in w Pa last weekend. Pretty uncommon. Ready for some warm dry again....

Jeff Reinhardt - Thu 13 Sep 2018 16:29:36 #0

Tom C be very careful. We got 6.5" here last weekend, I can't imagine 20".

Chuck - Thu 13 Sep 2018 19:01:45 #0

Cy & storm.

TOM I hope all of you on the right coast get by this huge rain/wind-storm.
It has let up a little on the high wind part of the storm but is so slow moving it is going to dump a tub of water, and a relentless wind will find a hold somewhere to tear things a part. A slow moving storm with even 60 or 70 MPH can rip things apart.
CY WAGNER our second Grand-son is having a time of it. He has not moved his feet or right hand as yet. He had lung surgery Tuesday. It was successful.
They put a electric toothbrush in his hand this morning. He eventually got the brush part in his mouth. VICTORY.
Looks like he is going to have to learn it all over--Everything--Maybe we can clean up his vocabulary a little.
We have been blessed with tons of prayers from all over.
BRUCE your head heal up?

bruce godlesky - Thu 13 Sep 2018 22:04:06 #0

Sandpiles grandson

Ya, my heads all healed up , at least it ain't leakin' anymore.....

That relearning stuff is not a bad thing, tho it didn't help MY vocabulary(BOG)
19 yrs ago this month I decided I wasn't going to set on the porch and vegatate any longer. Ordered a Grizzly knife grinder and began an interesting journey. I attempted going back to my former occupation as an autobody repairman. Found I had to relearn everything I had learnt in the past 28 yrs. Not a fun time.....
About the same time became aware of this thing called the internet. Discovered there were guys making things from hot metal.
It's been quite a journey since then!! So Chuck, give Cy all the encouragement ya can! He's gonna be a bit different than the guy you formerly knew but that's OK too.

Chuck - Sat 15 Sep 2018 00:29:18 #0

Relearning and staying to the line.

CYRUS TYLER WAGNER-- Is about as hard-headed and determined as anyone you will ever meet. The family moved almost every year to another town for their Dad to keep teaching in NM.
Three boys --four years apart. It got to where they would just toe the mark--tell the new town toughies to send out the best. The pecking order was straightened right quick. The boys have friends scattered all over the state.
CY and Brady played in the state finals in BB and FB . Lost each by a point and one touch-down.
I am aware of how hard a road CY has got. Brady has not left the hospital except to clean up. Cy's wife and Mother have stayed everyday and night.
It has been 30 days since his accident.
Pneumonia along with the head injuries, broke the front off his face, both eye orbits, top jaw, bottom jaw not so bad. Completely bed ridden just barely conscious.
He has no control of anything but his left hand. He is dragging his right hand around by his ID bracelet.
Motions for his Mom to prop up his head. He has figured out how to 'thumbs up' when they figure out what he wants.
Treach in, ventilator in, feeding tube in. One eye open.
Best demonstration of pure guts I have ever seen. It may take a year or two years but this guy will be back.
He has lots of moral support. It is going to financially break every damn one of us. But we did not have anything when we started this old life--We can go out the same way.
Just needed to let folks know how tough a tussle my second grand-son is into.

Darrell - Sat 15 Sep 2018 01:23:30 #0


I know there is hope. I myself have gone from full paralyzed on the right side and part
paralyzed on the left to a full recovery in a little over one year.
Physical therapy got me started in the 1st month after the stroke, actually after the 2 strokes 1 of which happened in the hospital.
That one was the worst. As soon as I got some motion, I went to the mouse and keyboard
on my computer and started working bookkeeping and taxes. I was using my right hand
which I had the least control of to work the mouse to improve coordination.
We will keep CY in our prayers. We have experience with answered prayer.

bruce godlesky - Wed 19 Sep 2018 07:01:18 #0

"we have experience with answeresd prayer" YEP!!!!

See some of you at Troy, I hope!




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